These were my first tools, i was looking for something less expensive because i wasnt sure how much i woukd actually use them. Turns out i used them over 2 dozen times last winter. These tools are great for beginning, they handle well in hard snow, WI and basic mixed climbing. I have lead M5+, WI 4-5 and several summits with these tools. The only thing now is that i passed the tools ability on mixed routes (rock) and have a pair of Xdreams for that. The Singing rock will still be my goto for winter routes not specifically ice or mixed, where the aggresiveness of a more specific tool is over kill. I highly reccomend these and i also like my singing rock harnesses.
